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The Road to UNBOUND — Jay Schwedelson: "The Next Five Years Won't Reward the Smartest People"
Hosts: Rob Jones, Chris Carolan
May 26, 2026
The Road to UNBOUND pulls into South Florida for a conversation with marketing's most quotable headliner, Jay Schwedelson. Jay gives a marketer's read on HubSpot's INBOUND-to-UNBOUND rebrand ("it's one letter — but the reality is everyone is dealing with more"), previews his two UNBOUND sessions, and explains why UNBOUND is the one event he refuses to measure by ROI. Along the way: how he engineers FOMO at his own 30,000-person GURU conference, why "the next five years will not reward the smartest people," the speaking craft he swears by (movement is everything; never open with an agenda slide; never memorize), and the origin of his new book, Stupider People Have Done It (out June 9, with 100% of net author proceeds going to the V Foundation for Cancer Research). The standout moment is unscripted: Jay reframes Chris's "single-digit views" content grind as the smartest career move he's making — because publishing forces you to keep learning, whether anyone watches or not.
Chapters
- 00:00Cold open and guest intro — welcoming Jay Schwedelson
- 02:34INBOUND becomes UNBOUND — a marketer's take on the rebrand
- 05:07Favorite INBOUND memories (Halligan's wings; the dunk-tank legend)
- 06:19Speaking craft: why movement is everything
- 07:34Why Jay speaks at UNBOUND — community over ROI
- 08:32Lessons from running GURU (30k attendees): engineering FOMO
- 11:13This year's headliners — Tom Brady in Boston, Cynthia Erivo
- 13:17Jay's two UNBOUND sessions
- 14:30The thesis: AI levels the field; beat the negative self-talk
- 16:35How to submit a talk that won't be dated by showtime
- 19:03The book: Stupider People Have Done It (June 9; proceeds to the V Foundation)
- 20:56Action over planning — Corcoran's five-minute plan
- 22:39Speaking tips: no agenda slides, never memorize
- 23:54The real ROI of content: accountability and continuous learning
- 27:092026 advice that holds: human, low-fi content wins
- 28:42Jay's send-off to Rob, the "mayor of Unbound"
Transcript
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